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	: As far as affecting the game's design... eh, not too much, but I'm sure there's some stuff that has been borrowed by osmosis. One of things that I can most easily pinpoint is something that came from 4th edition D&D. That game has a monster-encounter model that's a bit like ours: your heroes fight a bunch of different monsters at once, not (usually) just one big dragon or something. And each monster has a couple of unique tricks that make it stand out, and those tricks often synergize to create different combat scenarios. I didn't intentionally ""steal"" that idea, but we'd been playing a lot of 4E at the time when development started, and I did like the feel of combat, so that probably bled into the game design from there.		: As far as affecting the game's design... eh, not too much, but I'm sure there's some stuff that has been borrowed by osmosis. One of things that I can most easily pinpoint is something that came from 4th edition D&D. That game has a monster-encounter model that's a bit like ours: your heroes fight a bunch of different monsters at once, not (usually) just one big dragon or something. And each monster has a couple of unique tricks that make it stand out, and those tricks often synergize to create different combat scenarios. I didn't intentionally ""steal"" that idea, but we'd been playing a lot of 4E at the time when development started, and I did like the feel of combat, so that probably bled into the game design from there.

	: RE: the face in the logo, that's [[ProjectGorgon:Destriel]], the demon lord, who we talked a lot about in the first Kickstarter, but I just realized we haven't mentioned in quite some time. Suffice it to say that he plays a big role in Project: Gorgon's main story arc!"		: RE: the face in the logo, that's [[ProjectGorgon:Destriel\|Destriel]], the demon lord, who we talked a lot about in the first Kickstarter, but I just realized we haven't mentioned in quite some time. Suffice it to say that he plays a big role in Project: Gorgon's main story arc!"
	:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/new-and-announcements/712-project-gorgon-questions-answers-town-hall-on-sunday-8-9-2015?start=30#4953		:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/new-and-announcements/712-project-gorgon-questions-answers-town-hall-on-sunday-8-9-2015?start=30#4953
	==== More PVP ====		==== More PVP ====
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	:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/611-permanent-spider-cows#4132		:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/611-permanent-spider-cows#4132
	==== Lore Levels ====		==== Lore Levels ====
	: "One thing that surprises me is the concern about [[ProjectGorgon:Lore]] levels... on paper here, most players should have a lore < 10. There have been exploits and bugs that let you get repeatable Lore boosts, but those are irrelevant for balance purposes. Are people really grinding Lore @1xp to the point that it's an important stat?		: "One thing that surprises me is the concern about [[ProjectGorgon:Lore\|Lore]] levels... on paper here, most players should have a lore < 10. There have been exploits and bugs that let you get repeatable Lore boosts, but those are irrelevant for balance purposes. Are people really grinding Lore @1xp to the point that it's an important stat?

	: Speaking of which, I think the Lore XP for doing words of power was probably a mistake. Lore is supposed to be a reward for interacting with items as you explore, and really that's the only way I want people to level it. So I'll probably remove all repeatable sources of Lore (just as there aren't repeatable sources of Notoriety, for instance). It's tricky to fix old accounts, because Lore is one of the oldest skills in the game and wasn't coded in a way that lets me easily recalculate it. I realized my mistake in time for skills like Notoriety -- if I want to recalculate Notoriety levels, I can do so pretty easily. But for now, broken Lore levels will have to stay broken, until I have time to fix things up more. (I may end up just wiping all Lore levels, if that's what it takes -- but even that isn't completely seamless, because you wouldn't be able to re-get some of the existing Lore sources, so I have to find a way to fix all of that.)"		: Speaking of which, I think the Lore XP for doing words of power was probably a mistake. Lore is supposed to be a reward for interacting with items as you explore, and really that's the only way I want people to level it. So I'll probably remove all repeatable sources of Lore (just as there aren't repeatable sources of Notoriety, for instance). It's tricky to fix old accounts, because Lore is one of the oldest skills in the game and wasn't coded in a way that lets me easily recalculate it. I realized my mistake in time for skills like Notoriety -- if I want to recalculate Notoriety levels, I can do so pretty easily. But for now, broken Lore levels will have to stay broken, until I have time to fix things up more. (I may end up just wiping all Lore levels, if that's what it takes -- but even that isn't completely seamless, because you wouldn't be able to re-get some of the existing Lore sources, so I have to find a way to fix all of that.)"
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	: So I've tried a lot of different things in different dungeons and encounters. Tanking for bosses is definitely supposed to be useful, and healing others needs to be a useful role, but in dungeons I also want Rage management to be an important group role, and dedicated crowd control to be important too. (People do have two skills each, so theoretically a three-person group could handle six roles, right? ... theoretically, anyway!)		: So I've tried a lot of different things in different dungeons and encounters. Tanking for bosses is definitely supposed to be useful, and healing others needs to be a useful role, but in dungeons I also want Rage management to be an important group role, and dedicated crowd control to be important too. (People do have two skills each, so theoretically a three-person group could handle six roles, right? ... theoretically, anyway!)

	: I also think there's lots of other roles that might be fun to emphasize in the game. For instance, in [[ProjectGorgon:Borghild]] there's very intentionally a role for a high-DPS ranged-attacker (fire magic or archery); the floating death heads are cake for a fire mage but very dangerous to meleers. In [[ProjectGorgon:Winter Nexus]] I tried to make it more obvious that you need Rage management. And so on.		: I also think there's lots of other roles that might be fun to emphasize in the game. For instance, in [[ProjectGorgon:Borghild\|Borghild]] there's very intentionally a role for a high-DPS ranged-attacker (fire magic or archery); the floating death heads are cake for a fire mage but very dangerous to meleers. In [[ProjectGorgon:Winter Nexus\|Winter Nexus]] I tried to make it more obvious that you need Rage management. And so on.

	: But there's so few people running the dungeons in level-appropriate groups that I haven't usually gotten a good feel for how well the mechanics work. The problem with having high-level players try stuff out is that when you crank the DPS up enough, all roles are irrelevant because the monster dies in 2 seconds. (This is exacerbated by bad equipment balance, etc.) So it's been hard to get much test data for those ideas, not only to see what works mechanics-wise, but what players think would be fun roles."		: But there's so few people running the dungeons in level-appropriate groups that I haven't usually gotten a good feel for how well the mechanics work. The problem with having high-level players try stuff out is that when you crank the DPS up enough, all roles are irrelevant because the monster dies in 2 seconds. (This is exacerbated by bad equipment balance, etc.) So it's been hard to get much test data for those ideas, not only to see what works mechanics-wise, but what players think would be fun roles."
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	:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/526-what-are-the-planned-races-for-project-gorgon?start=10#3553		:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/526-what-are-the-planned-races-for-project-gorgon?start=10#3553
	==== NPC movement ====		==== NPC movement ====
	: NPCs will have the ability to do different things at different times of day, but I haven't decided what they'll actually do differently yet. Most vendors and shopkeepers will stay in their store through the night, ignoring the day/night cycle. But NPCs like [[ProjectGorgon:Blanche]] and [[ProjectGorgon:Rita]] might head to their homes and sleep. Or, head to Joeh's leather party... or whatever. I'll have to experiment and see what behaviors are fun and also cost-effective to implement.		: NPCs will have the ability to do different things at different times of day, but I haven't decided what they'll actually do differently yet. Most vendors and shopkeepers will stay in their store through the night, ignoring the day/night cycle. But NPCs like [[ProjectGorgon:Blanche\|Blanche]] and [[ProjectGorgon:Rita\|Rita]] might head to their homes and sleep. Or, head to Joeh's leather party... or whatever. I'll have to experiment and see what behaviors are fun and also cost-effective to implement.
	:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/503-about-the-announced-changes#3372		:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/503-about-the-announced-changes#3372
	==== Potential Skills & Player Feedback ====		==== Potential Skills & Player Feedback ====
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	: I know werewolves and druids have it ""easy"" with wolf and deer forms, but they've taken on permanent character-altering obligations that can never be undone, which is the down side of those skills. So we might add more tools to let the other animal forms change, but only if the player makes a permanent decision that's related.		: I know werewolves and druids have it ""easy"" with wolf and deer forms, but they've taken on permanent character-altering obligations that can never be undone, which is the down side of those skills. So we might add more tools to let the other animal forms change, but only if the player makes a permanent decision that's related.

	: And actually, the spider one is planned out -- players will be able to complete a ritual to become servants of [[ProjectGorgon:Akhisa]], the god of spiders and patience. For cow and pig forms, I don't have anything planned... and none of the 37 gods is particularly cow-themed. But if you have ideas, I'm all ears!		: And actually, the spider one is planned out -- players will be able to complete a ritual to become servants of [[ProjectGorgon:Akhisa\|Akhisa]], the god of spiders and patience. For cow and pig forms, I don't have anything planned... and none of the 37 gods is particularly cow-themed. But if you have ideas, I'm all ears!

	: Lastly, as Mortitia mentioned, we've been slowly giving the animal forms more accessibility. NPCs that are outside of towns are generally okay with talking to animals in any form, and I've been adding animal-form access quests to newer in-town NPCs when time permits. There will always be some NPCs you just can't talk to, but in the final game you'll be able to talk to more of them than not."		: Lastly, as Mortitia mentioned, we've been slowly giving the animal forms more accessibility. NPCs that are outside of towns are generally okay with talking to animals in any form, and I've been adding animal-form access quests to newer in-town NPCs when time permits. There will always be some NPCs you just can't talk to, but in the final game you'll be able to talk to more of them than not."
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	: "Fighting more than one opponent. At mid-level and higher the game is balanced around the notion that you will be fighting at least two enemies at a time.		: "Fighting more than one opponent. At mid-level and higher the game is balanced around the notion that you will be fighting at least two enemies at a time.

	: [[ProjectGorgon:Unarmed]] is also a nice combination with ranged skills because of its knockbacks. Remember, you are NOT using just one skill. Your ""class"" consists of TWO active skills, not one.		: [[ProjectGorgon:Unarmed\|Unarmed]] is also a nice combination with ranged skills because of its knockbacks. Remember, you are NOT using just one skill. Your ""class"" consists of TWO active skills, not one.

	: Unarmed is a skill with many useful, cheap, but low-damaging abilities, which offer interesting combination points with lots of other skills."		: Unarmed is a skill with many useful, cheap, but low-damaging abilities, which offer interesting combination points with lots of other skills."
	:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/398-why-would-unarmed-have-a-knockback-skill-much-less-two#2665		:: http://projectgorgon.com/forum/general-gorgon-discussion/398-why-would-unarmed-have-a-knockback-skill-much-less-two#2665
	==== Metal Armor Crafting? ====		==== Metal Armor Crafting? ====
	: "There will be an Armorsmithing skill which is a sub-skill of [[ProjectGorgon:Blacksmithing]]. It's a high-level skill -- gotta have some fun stuff for higher-level players to unlock! Various weapon-smithing skills will also be sub-skills of [[ProjectGorgon:Blacksmithing]].		: "There will be an Armorsmithing skill which is a sub-skill of [[ProjectGorgon:Blacksmithing\|Blacksmithing]]. It's a high-level skill -- gotta have some fun stuff for higher-level players to unlock! Various weapon-smithing skills will also be sub-skills of [[ProjectGorgon:Blacksmithing\|Blacksmithing]].

	: (Those skills won't show up until later this year when the level cap is raised.)"		: (Those skills won't show up until later this year when the level cap is raised.)"

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